the one thing they agree on is how much they hate barack obama. you can't win on just hate and no. >> this is a political theory i've heard before, which is that particularly primary battles are damaging, right? that they, essentially, they make you spend money you wouldn't otherwise spend, they damage the eventual nominee. sometimes they end up putting a person like christine o'donnell who has no chance of winning, and you boot away a seat, but you don't seem to agree with that? >> look, if you look back to 2010, if you want to look just at sheer politics, 2010 i think sort of outweighs any damage that the tea party did for them in 2012. the bottom line is, they have been able, at least to provide cover for a center in this center in this country that i think wanted to push through more neo liberal policies, and we see that. we see that with the sequester, with the food stamp cuts, we see that with a less than large enough stimulus, we see it across the board. and so, from a policy standpoint, they're winning, and from a politics standpoint, they